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Wednesday, 01 November 2006

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Tina

Very interesting series of comments. I had not heard of this [Canaltime] accident before but spent a week on one of these boats about four/five years ago and was very unhappy about the lack of forward access.

I have been on several other canal holidays and when booking via RCI I always stipulate "no Canaltime boats" and make a point of my belief that they are not safe.

Not only embark/disembark, but having to always use the gunwales during cruising, and when the aft table is raised anyone inside is impeded in getting out. Plus there is nowhere to sit or do any of the daily chores and see the scenery pass by.

I did contact Canaltime after the first holiday to see if they were going to change this ridiculous situation, and was treated in a very offhand manner-: that they knew more than I did, that it was to stop bows being flooded in locks, and they were right, so there!

There are always weeks available via RCI even high summer when the rest of the UK is booked solid. Either they change or go under, preferebly with no-one aboard.

Sam

As a further on from my last comment..
It would be interesting to email MAIB and see what they have to say about the bow situation..

Could it be that CanalTime somehow made sure that they didn't mention it?
Speculation.. yes probably.. but anything is possible!

Splash -  (Sam)

Hi Andrew.. nice to see you picked up on the point.. I was quite suprised that it wasn't covered.. especially when they said about the boat having to reverse to drop crew off at the stern.. just strikes me as a bit 'hard' - especially fo hirers who may not have much expereince.

My family always say when we pass one of their boats.. 'it's an accident waiting to happen'..

Andrew Denny

Margaret, I'm being a curmugeonly pedant. The man who was in charge of a narrow boat in the old working days was normally called a 'steerer', not a 'helmsman'. I'm not sure if the latter word is used on rivers, but it's a 'steerer' on canals.

I emphasised the point in order to question if a 'marine accident' team really had the right credentials to investigate a narrowboat accident. If they get this point wrong, are there other aspects they might have overlooked?

'Splash' makes a very interesting point, which is not covered or mentioned in the official report.

Marg Muir

You write:
"perhaps that everyone could be safely at the back where the steerer (or 'helmsman', as the MAIB report mistakenly calls him) can keep an eye on them."
What is wrong with the term 'helmsman'?
The OED gives the definition of a 'helm' as, 'the tiller or wheel by which the rudder is controlled'.
Does this term 'helmsman' only apply on sea-going craft?
Marg

Graham

I understood that the decision to not have front doors on Canaltime craft was to reduce the possibility of sinking them through using gate paddles too early.
Graham

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